Episode 02 - Just Do

Welcome to Episode 02! Benjamin Lai in New York and I exchange audio letters about our early artistic interests and pursuits. Ben trained in Belgium to learn the traditional discipline of decorative painting and I went after my dreams of becoming a fashion designer in New York. 

We look back on our youthful ambitions, our failures, and how we were able to move on.

Ben and I met through mutual friends in the late-90s when I was living in New York. At one point, Ben and our other friends Hae-Sun and Eumi also lived in the same brick apartment building in Sunnyside, Queens.

In this episode, Ben talks about growing up in several places including the Bronx, Queens, and Moreno Valley, California. I left the San Fernando Valley in California to go to college in Boston and New York. Later, Ben left the States to pursue an adventure in Belgium which led to his unexpected career as a decorative painter.

I’m deeply grateful to Ben for sharing his story, insights, and wisdom. And to Stuart Baron and Joel Bluming for allowing me to bring their wonderful voices from the past into the present.


My drawing of Ben, NY, 1998

Ben in Sunnyside, Queens, early 2000s

Ben training in Brussels, 1995

Ben in his studio, Manhattan, 2023


Courtesy of Joel Bluming

Courtesy of Joel Bluming

Courtesy of Joel Bluming

My photo of Joel in the East Village, 1990s


Me and my high school teacher Tom Beaton, Granada Hills, CA, 1989

Me, Joe and Irene Beaton, Wilmington, MA, 1993

Fashion drawing, 1985

Fashion drawing at Parsons, NYC, 1990

Fashion drawing at Parsons, NYC, 1990

Fashion drawing, 1985

Fashion drawing at Parsons, NYC, 1990

Drawing of Hae-Sun (my roommate), NY, 1997


Links for further information

Bill Brand’s MassTransiscope - the artwork in the tunnel that fascinated Ben as a child

William Finnegan’s The Unwanted - the article that Ben mentioned about teens in the Valley

Sol Lewitt’s Just Do - the letter that Ben referred to for getting back to making art

The Marginalian and Sol Lewitt’s letter to Eva Hesse

Jenny Holzer - Joel’s t-shirt with the artist’s truisms

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